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The Brewing Forum • View topic - Spelt Saison - Saison Brett/Sour
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Spelt Saison - Saison Brett/Sour

PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 15:00
by rlemkin

Re: Spelt Saison - Saison Brett/Sour

PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 15:41
by MPLMPL
Sounds interesting. What does spelt bring to the party? Is it a bit like rye?

Re: Spelt Saison - Saison Brett/Sour

PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2017 08:26
by serum
It's like wheat but a bit more nutty.

I'll probably do a similar brew again this year. Have you had the Blaugies one rlemkin? Really bone dry! The Vermontoise version with Amarillo dry hop is really good too.

Re: Spelt Saison - Saison Brett/Sour

PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 16:42
by rlemkin
I defer to Serum above when it comes to spelt.. I don't truly know.

Early impressions of this beer (TYB Saison/Brett) are really really good and pretty match the TYB description of the strain. It's slightly orange and the esters are just very nice. My earlier saisons have been relatively lacking in yeast character and more hoppy or sour.

(I believe the sacch strains are available without the brettanomyces as The Yeast Bay Saison Blend and I would encourage you to try them if you don't want to play with brett - if there wasn't brett in this beer I'd be bottling it now and drinking it tomorrow ;) )

My house strain has a much drier and spicier profile. I think there are more phenols in there and the yeast was probably quite stressed out. I'll probably dry hop this half and bottle it soon .

Serum - I've not tried Blaugies, but I'm off to Belgium in a few weeks, so fingers crossed! I've got a bottle of the Vermontoise and shall drink it soon. I've heard good things about the yeast and have been trying to find it with little luck.

Re: Spelt Saison - Saison Brett/Sour

PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 21:30
by serum
I thought there was meant to be a strain for sale by one producer but can't remember which it is. French saison is close. It's really dry and really fizzy.



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Re: Spelt Saison - Saison Brett/Sour

PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:52
by rlemkin
Hey Serum. I actually got to try Blaugies in Amsterdam and meet the owner very briefly too. It was great!

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I had some fun blending and bottling saison last night. It was interesting to see the effects of different saison yeast and bacteria on the same grist and how blending even between two beers can be useful. as I said above half was fermented out with The Yeast Bay’s Saison/Brett blend and the other half on my dodgy *9 month old* fridge yeast or "house culture".. if we’re being charitable. This is was originally The Yeast Bay’s Farmhouse Sour and built up Fantome dregs with a couple bottles worth of Orval that went through a few generations and the LAB is quickly built acid tolerance. Later on I added the remains from a few bottles with pleasant brett character (Crooked Stave Vielle, Jester King and Kernel’s Biere de Saison).

The base beer is very pleasant and quite happily at this stage tastes like a lighter Saison D’Epeautre (the Saison/Brett portion in particular accentuates the malt and bitterness). The second portion is pretty fantastic right now. Slightly tart, hints of pineapple with bitter citrus – light grapefruit, but primarily derived from the yeast as it’s not present at all in the Saison/Brett portion.

I blended in approximately 5% of a 1.040 Rye Saison (65% Pale/ 30% Rye/ 5% Dextrose w/WLP585) into the ‘house’ portion to bring a tad more bitterness to round out the profile. The TYB Saison/Brett half is much more of a traditional Saison portion, so I blended in approximately 20% of the Rye Saison to introduce some more phenolics and spicy character.

Both are now bottled into heavy geuze bottles to 3 vol Co2, although I’m expecting a tiny bit more attenuation as the beers are only about 7 ½ weeks old.

This has definitely made me more willing to play around with and cultivate dregs :)

Re: Spelt Saison - Saison Brett/Sour

PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:31
by serum
Really? Where was that?

Don't tell me it was this weekend as I was in Amsterdam on Saturday night!

Re: Spelt Saison - Saison Brett/Sour

PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 20:25
by rlemkin
It wasn't.. but was back near the end of June for the Carnivale Brettanomyces. He was on a panel with Phil Markowski (author of Farmhouse Ales), Crooked Stave Brewer/owner and Sean Hill of Hill Farmstead talking about Saison. Got a wee glass of each of their beers at the event and then went out and had a 75cl bottle with my lunch :whistle: . What are holidays for?

It also turns out that there's brett in most of Blaugies beer, which I wasn't aware of before.

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Re: Spelt Saison - Saison Brett/Sour

PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:31
by serum
I've wondered about that. I've had some that seemed pretty clean but the only one that's been really funky tasting is old bottles of Darbyste.